Was the civil war about slavery? 2

Was the civil war about slavery?

Was the civil war about slavery? 3


Was the civil war about slavery? 4



What caused the civil war? Was it important to the north to abolish slavery? Has the south withdrawn because of slavery? Or was it something completely different … maybe the rights of the states? Colonel Ty Seidule, a professor of history at the United States Military Academy at West Point, regulates the debate.
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Was the American Civil War Waged for Slavery? More than 150 years later, this remains a controversial question.

Why? Because many people do not want to believe that the citizens of the southern states are ready to fight and die to maintain a morally repulsive institution. We are told there must be another reason. Well there is no such thing.

The evidence is clear and overwhelming. Slavery was by far the most important cause of the civil war – for both sides. Before the 1860 presidential election, a South Carolina newspaper warned that the issue before the country was “the extinction of slavery” and urged anyone who was unwilling to “give up the institution” to take action. They did it shortly after Abraham Lincoln’s victory.

The secession documents of each southern state made it clear that they would leave the Union to protect their “peculiar institution” of slavery – a phrase that at the time meant “what was special to them”. The vote to resign was 169-0 in South Carolina, 166-7 in Texas, 84-15 in Mississippi. The vote was never short in any southern state.

Alexander Stephens of Georgia, Vice President of the Confederation, clearly expressed the views of the South in March 1861. “Our new government,” he said, was founded on slavery. “His foundations are in place, his foundation is based on the great truth that the Negro is not like the white man; this slavery, which submits to the superior race, is his natural and normal state.” Despite the evidence, many continue to argue that other factors have replaced slavery as the cause of the civil war.

Some argue that the South only wanted to protect the rights of states. However, this raises an obvious question: States’ rights to what? Wasn’t it the maintenance and spread of slavery? Furthermore, the rights of the states were not an exclusive question of the south. All states – north and south – tried to protect their rights – sometimes they asked the federal government, sometimes they quarreled. In fact, the Mississippians complained that New York had too strong a concept of state rights because delta planters would not allow their slaves to be brought to Manhattan. The South was concerned with the rights of the states because it was primarily concerned with maintaining slavery.

Some argue that the cause of the war was economic. The north was industrial and the south was agricultural, so the two lived in societies so economically different that they could no longer stay together. Is not it.

In the mid-19th century, both North and South were agricultural companies. In fact, the north produced far more food than the south. But the peasants in the north had to pay their servants who came and went as they pleased, while the plantation owners in the south exploited slaves over whom they had total control.

And it wasn’t just plantation owners who supported slavery. The slave society was adopted by all classes in the south. The rich had several reasons to want to maintain slavery, but also the poor, non-slave-keeping whites. The “peculiar institution” ensured that they did not fall to the lowest level of the social ladder. Therefore, another argument – that the civil war could not be slavery because so few people owned slaves – has little merit.

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  1. This is the one time I actually agree with PragerU. Perhaps it helped that the speaker was an actual history professor and knew what he was talking about, unlike most of his "colleagues" at PragerU, the university that is not a university.

  2. "Having swept away the counterfactual Myth of the Lost Cause, a historian may briefly state the history of the Civil War as follows.

    The eleven states that seceded and became the Confederate States of America did so in order to protect the institution of African slavery from a perceived political threat from the majority of the people of the United States who disapproved of the institution."

    – Gary W. Gallagher, Alan T. Nolan "The Myth of the Lost Cause and Civil War History" p29

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  3. AS one can easily see by his posts, Matt is seriously deluded and in need of psychological help.
    "Can there be a doubt in any intelligent mind, that the object which the Black Republican party has in view is the ultimate extinction of slavery in the United States? To doubt it, is to cast the imputation of hypocracy and imbecility upon the majority of the people of every Northern State, who have stood by this party through all its trials and struggles, to its ultimate triumph in the election Lincoln.

    In these declarations Mr. Lincoln has covered the entire abolition platform – hatred of slavery, disregard of judicial decisions, negro equality, and, as a matter of course, the ultimate extinction of slavery. None of these doctrines, however, are left to inference, so far as Mr. Lincoln is concerned, as we see he has avowed them in the plainest and clearest language. They are not exceeded by the boldness of Seward, the malignity of Giddings, or the infamy of Garrison. It was the knowledge of these facts which induced his nomination by the Republican party; and by the free circulation which has been given to them in the canvass, it would seem that Mr. Lincoln is indebted to their popularity for his election.

    There is one dogma of this party which has been so solemnly enunciated, both by their national conventions and Mr. Lincoln that it is worth of serious consideration. I allude to the doctrine of negro equality. The stereotyped expression of the Declaration of Independence that "All men are born equal," has been perverted from its plain and truthful meaning, and made the basis of a political dogma which strikes at the very foundations of the institution of slavery. Mr. Lincoln and his party assert that this doctrine of equality applies to the negro, and necessarily there can exist no such thing as property in our equals. Upon this point both Mr. Lincoln and his party have spoken with a distinctiveness that admits of no question or equivocation. If they are right, the institution of slavery as it exists in the Southern States is in direct violation of the fundamental principles of our Government; and to say that they would not use all the powers in their hands to eradicate the evil and restore the Government to its "ancient faith," would be to write themselves down self-convicted traitors both to principle and duty.

    In the election which just transpired, the Black Republicans did not hesitate to announce, defend and justify the doctrines and principles which I have attributed to them. During the progress of the canvass I obtained copies of the documents which they were circulating at the North, with a view of ascertaining the grounds upon which they were appealing to the people for their support and confidence. With the exception of a few dull speeches in favor of a protective tariff, intended for circulation in Pennsylvania and New Jersey, and still fewer number of pitiful appeals for squandering the public lands, the whole canvass was conducted by the most bitter and malignant appeals to the anti-slavery sentiment of the North.

    Fellow-citizens of Georgia, I have endeavored to place before you the facts of the case, in plain and unimpassioned language; and I should feel that I had done injustice to my own convictions, and been unfaithful to you, if I did not in conclusion warn you against the danger of delay and impress upon you the hopelessness of any remedy for these evils short of secession. You have to deal with a shrewd, heartless and unscrupulous enemy, who in their extremity may promise anything, but in the end will do nothing. On the 4th day of March, 1861, the Federal Government will pass into the hands of the Abolitionists. It will then cease to have the slightest claim upon either your confidence or your loyalty; and, in my honest judgment, each hour that Georgia remains thereafter a member of the Union will be an hour of degradation, to be followed by certain and speedy ruin…'"

    – Howell Cobb (future President of the Provisional Confederate Congress), December 6, 1860

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  4. The War of American Aggression was over nothing to do with America. the war has been stated as a region seeking autonomy, but there is a quote from President Lincoln saying that he supported regional autonomy. Roger K. Broxton of Andalusia, president of the Confederate Heritage Fund said, "There is no proof of Lincoln ever declaring the war was fought to abolish slavery, and without such an official statement, the war-over-slavery teaching remains a complete lie and offensive hate speech that divides Americans, as is being done now by the media and politicians regarding the Confederate flag in South Carolina." (https://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/06/war-over-slavery_rhetoric_is_i.html retrived Februar 14, 2019) this idea demands that there must be outside interference.

    It may not have been the Southerners notion to secede.“On the United States side, the British fostering of and of support of the Confederacy, and their well-known plans, pending successful outcome of the secession, to further fragment and subdivide the Union, need no elaboration.” Konstantin George wrote in his article “The US-Russian Entente that Saved the Union," (Konstantin George “The US-Russian Entente that Saved the Union, ”The Campaigner Vo1.11 No.5 July1978) In a separate article he wrote, "The cornerstone of Britain’s operational policy, from no later than 1860 on, was to dismember both the United States and Russia."(https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/american-civil-war-when-russia-blocked-british-led-intervention-against-the-union/)The Southern Revolution of 1861 was caused by English interference in the South as well as causing a revolution in Poland as the United Kingdom was the weapon supplier of the Confederacy, allowed the colony of Ireland officially support the Confederacy and the Confederacy to raid from Canada on Maine, was in the "Great Race" cold war against the US, made up 90% of the confederate fleet, gave their greatest weapon to be manufactured in the South and had a large population vocally supporting the CSA with a distant possibility that Jefferson Davis may have been an agent for England as there was evidence of his hidden correspondence with England but Judah Benjamin has a better chance of being the British agent as he was born and died in the UK and burned all official UK-CSA and confederate spieing documents.

    The United States may have been controlled to not recognize the independence of regions.“Russia desires above all the maintenance of the American Union as one indivisible nation,” Foreign Minister Alexander Gorchakov wrote in 1862 to Bayard Taylor, secretary of the U.S. embassy in St. Petersburg. When one looks at a simple "What role did Russia play in the U.S. Civil War?" by Oleg Yegorov says "Russia was not deeply concerned with the internal conflict in America, although Alexander II himself was famous for abolishing serfdom in 1861, just two years before Lincoln abolished slavery. " (https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2017/08/16/what-role-did-russia-play-in-the-us-civil-war_823252 retrieved February 16, 2019) In William Jones' article "Britain's Surrogate War Against the Union, 1861-65," he said "The U.S.-Russia discussions were, however, of more than of a mere tactical nature. There were also long-term plans for the post-Civil War situation, in which it was intended that Russia and the United States would become close collaborators…In New York and Philadelphia, the Russians had an opportunity to discuss with leading industrial interests the possibility of U.S. manufacturers helping with Russian railroad construction and producing equipment for the Russian Navy." The Czar flexed his authority over Lincoln that the Russian navy actually occupied San Francisco and the Potomac River. picture is of this . drawn by author.)

    The cause of the war was Poland. That was the furthest that Russia was in Europe and by the turning back of England from the South, England had been turned back from intervening in Poland. England had started a revolution in Poland, but the Axis of the US, Prussia & Russia turned back English abscission along with the death of Prince Albert.The Confederate flag is not Racist as they were resisting Russian influence that had overcome Washington.

    For those who see the war as a glorious for the US army, this is no different then the imperial Russian view. There is a Russian war slogan, "Till the Pollock will be human, the Briton will be civil, and the Jew shall be few." the Union only added Southerner to Polock and not being human and thus deserving crimes against humanities until they look like the capital. The clear element of this Russifacation is seen in the Cherokee Declaration Of Causes by which the Cherokee nation seceded from the Union, "But in the Northern States the Cherokee people saw with alarm a violated Constitution, all civil liberty put in peril, and all the rules of civilized warfare and the dictates of common humanity and decency unhesitatingly disregarded. In States which still adhered to the Union a military despotism has displaced the civil power and the laws became silent amid arms. Free speech and almost free thought became a crime." Paragraph 9, Cherokee Declaration of Causes (October 28, 1861)

    From that time to the fall of the Czar, the United States supported the Russian Empire. There has never been a Polish president of the United States. Historian now say that the purchase of Alaska was a "back room deal" having to do with the war. Those who are against Southern heritage support "Russian Collusion," and they should must accept "Russian Grief."

  5. Hey stupid, You have ears, but cannot hear. you have eyes but cannot see. Desolation have been decried. the US has bound themselves to their own destruction. It is called COVID-19.

  6. "Within the profession [historians] there's virtually no discussion or debate left of slavery as central to the antebellum south and the fundamental cause of secession and the war." – Dr. Eric Walther of University of Houston

  7. After intense resurch, I have found that Britain caused the war. There is everything from British rockets used by the Confederate States to a letter from a Russian who found proof for it and a letter from Judah Benjamin giving the South to the UK which I independently verified. The reasons are three fold. First, the United States was planning to conquer Canada. Second, the US was going to restart the international slave trade. (Britain convinced the South to abolish slavery.) Third, Britain needed the South to keep America from becoming a rival. This being stated ignored that all races in the South supported the war when the found Union soldiers are rapist. Read more on my blog including the two stated letters. https://morrisonoddness.blogspot.com/2019/02/the-united-states-side-british.html

  8. Hey, You have ears, but cannot hear. you have eyes but cannot see. Desolation have been decried. the US has bound themselves to their own destruction. It is called COVID-19. God sent it.

  9. One of the biggest myth of the Civil war weeks that shoes own blacks only. That is false after much investigation Anglos were a minority of slave owners. The list goes like this Black, Native American, Hispanic, and then white. In Antebellum Mississippi, 15% of slave owners were black slaves that owned slaves. The largest slave owner in South Carolina was black and his son died for the Confederate States. Northern whites owned factories but Southern Black. The only group that fought for slavery in the War of Northern Aggression were black.

  10. Slavery is not immoral. It is a divinely institution with law stated in Exodus 22 and Philemon which state that the slave becomes part of family. (Davis said he did.) But, there is no difference between drunkenness and being drunk with power. Abolitionist and those who shot up bars to stop "demon liqueur" are the same.

  11. "If one attempts to assign to religion its place in man's evolution, it seems not so much to be a lasting acquisition, as a parallel to the neurosis which the civilized individual must pass through on his way from childhood to maturity." – Sigmund Freud, "Moses and Monotheism," 1939
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  12. "The Lost Cause still endures in the 21st century because it serves many sentimental and racial desires in the present." – David W. Blight. Professor of American history at Yale University.

  13. Hey stupid, You have ears, but cannot hear. you have eyes but cannot see. Desolation have been decried. the US has bound themselves to their own destruction. God brought COVID-19 to the US to judge them.

  14. History has proven that the Union army were all rapist. The only way for the South to be free is this. Southern women view every US soldier as her personal rapist. Every Southerner view every Yankee trying to steal and burn everything he has. The South needs to view the US government as the cause of all their problems regardless of who is in office.

  15. “The neo-Confederate movement has been around for a good while. Ostensibly their aim is to commemorate and glorify the history of the Southern Confederacy. But what they really are about is white supremacy, or what is sometimes called white nationalism. They use the Confederacy as a symbol of white supremacy, which they are trying to bolster in this country.” Eric Foner, Professor of History, Columbia University

  16. Hey, You have ears, but cannot hear. you have eyes but cannot see. Desolation have been decried. the US has bound themselves to their own destruction. God brought COVID-19 to the US to judge them.

  17. 🇨🇱The War of American Aggression was over nothing to do with America. the war has been stated as a region seeking autonomy, but there is a quote from President Lincoln saying that he supported regional autonomy. Roger K. Broxton of Andalusia, president of the Confederate Heritage Fund said, "There is no proof of Lincoln ever declaring the war was fought to abolish slavery, and without such an official statement, the war-over-slavery teaching remains a complete lie and offensive hate speech that divides Americans, as is being done now by the media and politicians regarding the Confederate flag in South Carolina." (https://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/06/war-over-slavery_rhetoric_is_i.html retrived Februar 14, 2019) this idea demands that there must be outside interference.

    It may not have been the Southerners notion to secede.“On the United States side, the British fostering of and of support of the Confederacy, and their well-known plans, pending successful outcome of the secession, to further fragment and subdivide the Union, need no elaboration.” Konstantin George wrote in his article “The US-Russian Entente that Saved the Union," (Konstantin George “The US-Russian Entente that Saved the Union, ”The Campaigner Vo1.11 No.5 July1978) In a separate article he wrote, "The cornerstone of Britain’s operational policy, from no later than 1860 on, was to dismember both the United States and Russia."(https://hwaairfan.wordpress.com/2015/04/25/american-civil-war-when-russia-blocked-british-led-intervention-against-the-union/)The Southern Revolution of 1861 was caused by English interference in the South as well as causing a revolution in Poland as the United Kingdom was the weapon supplier of the Confederacy, allowed the colony of Ireland officially support the Confederacy and the Confederacy to raid from Canada on Maine, was in the "Great Race" cold war against the US, made up 90% of the confederate fleet, gave their greatest weapon to be manufactured in the South and had a large population vocally supporting the CSA with a distant possibility that Jefferson Davis may have been an agent for England as there was evidence of his hidden correspondence with England but Judah Benjamin has a better chance of being the British agent as he was born and died in the UK and burned all official UK-CSA and confederate spieing documents.

    The United States may have been controlled to not recognize the independence of regions.“Russia desires above all the maintenance of the American Union as one indivisible nation,” Foreign Minister Alexander Gorchakov wrote in 1862 to Bayard Taylor, secretary of the U.S. embassy in St. Petersburg. When one looks at a simple "What role did Russia play in the U.S. Civil War?" by Oleg Yegorov says "Russia was not deeply concerned with the internal conflict in America, although Alexander II himself was famous for abolishing serfdom in 1861, just two years before Lincoln abolished slavery. " (https://www.rbth.com/politics_and_society/2017/08/16/what-role-did-russia-play-in-the-us-civil-war_823252 retrieved February 16, 2019) In William Jones' article "Britain's Surrogate War Against the Union, 1861-65," he said "The U.S.-Russia discussions were, however, of more than of a mere tactical nature. There were also long-term plans for the post-Civil War situation, in which it was intended that Russia and the United States would become close collaborators…In New York and Philadelphia, the Russians had an opportunity to discuss with leading industrial interests the possibility of U.S. manufacturers helping with Russian railroad construction and producing equipment for the Russian Navy." The Czar flexed his authority over Lincoln that the Russian navy actually occupied San Francisco and the Potomac River. picture is of this . drawn by author.)

    The cause of the war was Poland. That was the furthest that Russia was in Europe and by the turning back of England from the South, England had been turned back from intervening in Poland. England had started a revolution in Poland, but the Axis of the US, Prussia & Russia turned back English abscission along with the death of Prince Albert.The Confederate flag is not Racist as they were resisting Russian influence that had overcome Washington.

    For those who see the war as a glorious for the US army, this is no different then the imperial Russian view. There is a Russian war slogan, "Till the Pollock will be human, the Briton will be civil, and the Jew shall be few." the Union only added Southerner to Polock and not being human and thus deserving crimes against humanities until they look like the capital. The clear element of this Russifacation is seen in the Cherokee Declaration Of Causes by which the Cherokee nation seceded from the Union, "But in the Northern States the Cherokee people saw with alarm a violated Constitution, all civil liberty put in peril, and all the rules of civilized warfare and the dictates of common humanity and decency unhesitatingly disregarded. In States which still adhered to the Union a military despotism has displaced the civil power and the laws became silent amid arms. Free speech and almost free thought became a crime." Paragraph 9, Cherokee Declaration of Causes (October 28, 1861)

    From that time to the fall of the Czar, the United States supported the Russian Empire. There has never been a Polish president of the United States. Historian now say that the purchase of Alaska was a "back room deal" having to do with the war. Those who are against Southern heritage support "Russian Collusion," and they should must accept "Russian Grief."

  18. One persons good man is anothers evil man so here's an example let's say a terrorist is fighting for freedom they are someone's hero but on the other side that person is the villain there is no good or bad just labels given to people to praise or hate something

  19. Hey stupid, You have ears, but cannot hear. you have eyes but cannot see. Desolation have been decried. the US has bound themselves to their own destruction. God brought COVID-19 to the US to judge them.

  20. The American Civil War was not about slavery, it was about rape. The US government propitiated these atrocities because because the Southern States could no longer be part of such regime. Alison Efford of the Goldberg Center wrote  " Lincoln, despite his anti-slavery leanings, issued the proclamation primarily because "emancipation legitimated—and promoted—an escalation of the war on the battlefields and Southern home fronts like no other action could do" (185). In the years that followed battles claimed casualties out of all proportion to their military goals, and Union troops displaced {And raped} non-combatants and pillaged and burned their property in Vicksburg, Atlanta, Columbia, and large swaths of the South. Stout faults Northern clergy who justified the bloodshed by choosing to "misread" the Emancipation Proclamation as a moral document." ( https://origins.osu.edu/review/upon-altar-nation-moral-history-civil-war ) The Cherokee Declaration of Cause clearly states that the reason why the Cherokee seceded was because the US military are rapist.

  21. "Within the profession [historians] there's virtually no discussion or debate left of slavery as central to the antebellum south and the fundamental cause of secession and the war." – Dr. Eric Walther of University of Houston

  22. Hey stupid, You have ears, but cannot hear. you have eyes but cannot see. Desolation have been decried. the US has bound themselves to their own destruction. God brought COVID-19 to America to judge them.

  23. "Religion is an illusion and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires." –Sigmund Freud, New Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis,1933.

  24. "Confederates during the Civil War had no problem whatsoever in associating their cause with the protection of slavery and a system of white supremacy which they thought was inherent in the Confederate world order. The Confederates of 1861-65 were much more honest about the importance of slavery than are the neo-Confederates of today." – Professor Brooks D. Simpson

  25. This film is nothing but anti-southern propaganda. Normally I would not touch this during my time of "Spring Cleaning," but this year I have internet so I will post every day multiple times a day.

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